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"https://deepstack.ltd/people/gaetano/", "claim": "The main risk from a ban on Chinese optical suppliers is that Chinese suppliers represent such a large part of the optical market that a sudden restriction could worsen shortages and push out some data center deployments.", "date": "2026-08-05", "url": "https://gaetanoresearch.substack.com/p/viav-reports-tomorrow-will-it-follow", "access": "paid" }, { "name": "Doomberg", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/doomberg/", "claim": "China is an objectively powerful country capable of inventing its way around semiconductor sanctions, and Huawei's announced chip-design framework that claims to deliver transistor densities equivalent to 1.4-nanometer-class chips by 2031 without…", "date": "2026-07-03", "url": "https://newsletter.doomberg.com/p/treatment-resistant", "access": "public" }, { "name": "Doomberg", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/doomberg/", "claim": "The Pentagon's Office of Strategic Capital, led by David Lorch, has been structuring deals to de-risk US military supply chains from China's control, including work on battery materials, drone components, and rare-earth production.", "date": "2026-09-01", "url": "https://newsletter.doomberg.com/p/with-american-characteristics", "access": "paid" } ], "against": { "name": "Stephen Clapham", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/stephen-clapham/", "claim": "Moritz argued the technological baton is passing from the US to China, as it once passed from the UK to the US, pointing to China's competitive education system and ownership of critical technologies such as electric vehicles, batteries, solar and…", "date": "2026-09-13", "url": "https://behindthebalancesheet.substack.com/p/when-the-numbers-dont-add-up", "access": "paid", "answers": "Kevin Gee", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "evidence" } }, { "id": "one-market-for-the-token", "label": "One Market for the Token", "voices": [ { "name": "Prof G Markets", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/prof-g-markets/", "claim": "The Chinese open-weight model strategy is to deliver roughly 80% of a product's value at half the price, which Prof G Markets calls one of the most effective business models there is, and expects to become a geopolitical fight once Washington…", "date": "2026-07-20", "url": "https://www.profgmedia.com/p/openai-had-another-terrible-week", "access": "public" }, { "name": "Michael Spencer", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/michael-spencer/", "claim": "Michael Spencer predicts Anthropic will achieve AI supremacy status in 2027 and by 2030 will have no comparable peer competitor, not Google, OpenAI, DeepSeek, or Alibaba.", "date": "2026-08-20", "url": null, "access": "paid" }, { "name": "Michael Spencer", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/michael-spencer/", "claim": "U.S.-China model competition is exaggerating compute demand even though there are few strong application-layer products, while China holds both cheaper token generation and more abundant energy.", "date": "2026-07-21", "url": "https://www.ai-supremacy.com/p/the-open-source-ai-china-problem-revisited-mid-2026", "access": "public" }, { "name": "Market Sentiment", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/market-sentiment/", "claim": "Open model weights being public and downloadable does not mean uniform pricing: running them still requires managing large GPU clusters and a software stack, and differences in that stack across providers (optimizing for price, latency, or…", "date": "2026-09-08", "url": "https://www.marketsentiment.co/p/notes-on-open-source", "access": "public" }, { "name": "Market Sentiment", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/market-sentiment/", "claim": "Headline comparisons claiming open models are 10x cheaper often quote a cheaper, degraded-performance version of the open model, exaggerating the cost benefit; for example, Opus 5 can look ~20x more expensive than DeepSeek in such comparisons, but…", "date": "2026-09-08", "url": "https://www.marketsentiment.co/p/notes-on-open-source", "access": "public" }, { "name": "Michael Burry", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/michael-burry/", "claim": "China is going through its Great Depression, has already hit the nadir, and consumer names like JD will catch a tailwind as the economy recovers.", "date": "2026-08-13", "url": null, "access": "licensed" }, { "name": "Michael Burry", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/michael-burry/", "claim": "Current Nvidia GPU pricing reflects today's scarcity, but a duration mismatch—data centers taking 3-5 years to build while chips iterate into new generations with very different power and cooling requirements every 12-18 months—undermines any…", "date": "2026-09-19", "url": null, "access": "paid" } ], "against": { "name": "DeepValue Capital", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/deepvalue-capital/", "claim": "Alibaba is well positioned to monetize its AI spend because it builds data centers 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firms hold 80 to 90 percent of InP wafers and equipment, while China controls over 70 percent of indium and 80 percent of phosphorus, making a minerals decision in Beijing determine a transceiver price in Texas.", "date": "2026-08-14", "url": "https://renstocks.substack.com/p/inside-the-ai-interconnect-boom", "access": "paid" }, { "name": "Gaetano", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/gaetano/", "claim": "U.S. manufacturing has become a customer selection factor, with early customer feedback around Chinese transceiver restrictions making customers more aggressive about wanting U.S. manufactured supply.", "date": "2026-08-11", "url": "https://gaetanoresearch.substack.com/p/we-have-some-strong-signals-for-photonics", "access": "paid" }, { "name": "Gaetano", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/gaetano/", "claim": "The Trump administration proposal should be understood as a negotiating tool ahead of a planned meeting with Xi rather than solely as a national security policy, because 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"Doomberg", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/doomberg/", "claim": "Western leaders do not adequately understand China's strategy in AI and semiconductors, nor do they appear capable of effectively responding to it.", "date": "2026-07-22", "url": null, "access": "public" }, { "name": "Doomberg", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/doomberg/", "claim": "China's strategy in strategic industries follows a pattern of heavily subsidizing domestic champions until they acquire technology, then flooding global markets with competitively priced products to eliminate foreign competitors.", "date": "2026-07-22", "url": null, "access": "public" }, { "name": "DeepValue Capital", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/deepvalue-capital/", "claim": "Alibaba is well positioned to monetize its AI spend because it builds data centers efficiently, designs AI models to upsell users into already-profitable areas like cloud, ecommerce and quick commerce, benefits from more diversified and niche 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"Dismissing China's technological progress as merely the product of subsidies, IP theft and cheap labour looks increasingly dangerous, whatever one's view of China as an investable market.", "date": "2026-09-20", "url": null, "access": "paid" } ], "against": null }, { "id": "crossing", "label": "Voices that cross sides", "voices": [ { "name": "Gaetano", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/gaetano/", "claim": "A Morgan Stanley note, based on conversations with a senior Washington telecom/FCC/export-control legal team, suggests a possible framework where a Chinese-built transceiver could still be allowed into the U.S. if roughly 65% of the module's value…", "date": "2026-10-02", "url": "https://gaetanoresearch.substack.com/p/big-optics-update-china-restrictions", "access": "paid" }, { "name": "Gaetano", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/gaetano/", "claim": "A reported Trump administration ban on new Chinese data center components, specifically including optical transceivers, would create a test cycle on top of existing 800G and 1.6T volume cycles as U.S. hyperscalers qualify new suppliers and expand…", "date": "2026-08-05", "url": "https://gaetanoresearch.substack.com/p/viav-reports-tomorrow-will-it-follow", "access": "paid" }, { "name": "Market Sentiment", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/market-sentiment/", "claim": "Azure sells DeepSeek; on equal quality, the gap is about 2x.", "date": null, "url": "https://www.marketsentiment.co/p/notes-on-open-source", "access": "public" }, { "name": "Michael Spencer", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/michael-spencer/", "claim": "China has the cheaper tokens; Anthropic has no peer by 2030.", "date": null, "url": "https://www.ai-supremacy.com/p/the-open-source-ai-china-problem-revisited-mid-2026", "access": "public" } ], "against": null } ], "crossings": [ { "from": "Gaetano", "to": "Ren", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "evidence", "note": "Gaetano qualifies Ren on evidence." }, { "from": "Michael Spencer", "to": "James Bulltard", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "mechanism", "note": "Michael Spencer qualifies James Bulltard on mechanism." }, { "from": "Ren", "to": "Gaetano", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "mechanism", "note": "Ren qualifies Gaetano on mechanism." }, { "from": "Gaetano", "to": "Ren", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "condition", "note": "Gaetano qualifies Ren on condition." }, { "from": "Doomberg", "to": "Gaetano", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "condition", "note": "Doomberg qualifies Gaetano on condition." }, { "from": "Stephen Clapham", "to": "Kevin Gee", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "condition", "note": "Stephen Clapham qualifies Kevin Gee on condition." }, { "from": "Doomberg", "to": "Gaetano", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "mechanism", "note": "Doomberg qualifies Gaetano on mechanism." }, { "from": "Doomberg", "to": "Oguz Erkan", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "evidence", "note": "Doomberg contradicts Oguz Erkan on evidence." }, { "from": "Prof G Markets", "to": "Oguz Erkan", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "mechanism", "note": "Prof G Markets contradicts Oguz Erkan on mechanism." }, { "from": "Kevin Gee", "to": "Baillie Gifford", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "condition", "note": "Kevin Gee qualifies Baillie Gifford on condition." }, { "from": "Gaetano", "to": "Doomberg", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "condition", "note": "Gaetano qualifies Doomberg on condition." }, { "from": "Kevin Gee", "to": "Stephen Clapham", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "evidence", "note": "Kevin Gee contradicts Stephen Clapham on evidence." }, { "from": "Baillie Gifford", "to": "Doomberg", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "condition", "note": "Baillie Gifford qualifies Doomberg on condition." }, { "from": "Michael Burry", "to": "DeepValue Capital", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "mechanism", "note": "Michael Burry contradicts DeepValue Capital on mechanism." }, { "from": "DeepValue Capital", "to": "Michael Burry", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "mechanism", "note": "DeepValue Capital contradicts Michael Burry on mechanism." }, { "from": "DeepValue Capital", "to": "Michael Burry", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "evidence", "note": "DeepValue Capital contradicts Michael Burry on evidence." }, { "from": "DeepValue Capital", "to": "Michael Spencer", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "mechanism", "note": "DeepValue Capital contradicts Michael Spencer on mechanism." }, { "from": "DeepValue Capital", "to": "Michael Burry", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "evidence", "note": "DeepValue Capital qualifies Michael Burry on evidence." }, { "from": "Ren", "to": "Gaetano", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "evidence", "note": "Ren qualifies Gaetano on evidence." }, { "from": "Michael Burry", "to": "Gaetano", "relation": "qualifies", "dimension": "evidence", "note": "Michael Burry qualifies Gaetano on evidence." }, { "from": "Michael Burry", "to": "Baillie Gifford", "relation": "contradicts", "dimension": "premise", "note": "Michael Burry contradicts Baillie Gifford on premise." } ], "notes": [ { "label": "The thread", "text": "Part 12 found one market for the token. 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The answer is yes if a document of the Bureau of Industry and Security that extends the one-year suspension published as Federal Register 2025-19846 beyond November 9, 2026, or leaves it in force without an end date, was published or placed on public inspection by the end of November 9, 2026; no if none was, including when officials announce an extension that no document carries by that day.", "question": "By November 9, 2026, does the Bureau of Industry and Security publish in the Federal Register, or place on public inspection there, a document extending the suspension of its affiliates rule beyond November 9, 2026?", "source": { "label": "Federal Register, documents and public inspection of the Bureau of Industry and Security", "url": "https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies/industry-and-security-bureau" }, "ambiguity": "If federalregister.gov cannot be read on November 10, 2026, the same pages are read on November 12, since public inspection entries carry their filing time. If no reading is possible by November 13, 2026, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is November 16, 2026. A document placed on public inspection by November 9 and published afterward counts as yes.", "specState": "approved", "specVersion": 1, "specUpdatedOn": "2026-10-21", "specHistory": [ { "version": 1, "date": "2026-10-21", "reason": "First specification.", "by": "Marco Cauduro" } ], "callExpects": "no", "think": { "baseRate": "Last year's suspension reached public inspection only on November 10, 2025, the day it took effect, and no bureau document carried an extension through October 12, 2026.", "outsideView": "Both suspensions in this Part lapse on paper a day apart in November, and the truce they belong to runs to January 10 by announcement, with no document from either capital extending them.", "wouldChange": "A bureau document placed on public inspection by November 9, which Miller Canfield expects to follow the announced truce, would raise the number." } }, "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/docket/#test-p18-t01", "storyUrl": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-fence-stops-at-the-chip/#watch", "resultUrl": null }, { "id": "p18-t02", "part": 18, "slug": "the-fence-stops-at-the-chip", "when": "November 18", "whenLabel": "Nov 18, 2026", "date": "2026-11-18", "precision": "day", "event": "Nvidia reports its quarter to October 25, 2026: whether its 10-Q puts licensed H200 shipments to China at 1% or more of Data Center revenue, after less than 1% in the quarter to July 26.", "status": "pending", "resultId": null, "sameAs": null, "stage": "pre", "callExpects": "no", "callExpectsBy": "Marco Cauduro", "callExpectsAt": "2026-10-21T15:38:48Z", "callProbability": 15, "callProbabilityAt": "2026-10-21T15:38:48Z", "callProbabilityHistory": [], "source": { "kind": "story", "ref": "watchlist[1].date", "url": null }, "resolver": { "kind": "earnings", "symbol": "NVDA", "rule": "Read the 10-Q's discussion of export controls and of the H200 licenses for China. The answer is yes if it states a share of 1% or more, or a dollar amount equal to or above 1% of the quarter's Data Center revenue, for shipments of H200, or of another product licensed under the rule of January 15, 2026, to customers in China; no if it states less than 1%, says there were no such shipments, or gives no figure for them. In the quarter ended July 26, 2026 the same section said less than 1% of Data Center revenue of $89.0 billion.", "question": "Does Nvidia's Form 10-Q for the quarter ending October 25, 2026 put shipments of licensed H200 products to China-based customers at 1% or more of that quarter's Data Center revenue?", "source": { "label": "SEC EDGAR, NVIDIA Form 10-Q for the third quarter of fiscal 2027, discussion of export controls and China (CIK 1045810)", "url": "https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001045810&type=10-Q" }, "ambiguity": "If the 10-Q is not public on SEC EDGAR by December 15, 2026, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is January 5, 2027. A share given only for all shipments to China, or for all Hopper products, does not decide the test and enters the Result as evidence.", "specState": "approved", "specVersion": 1, "specUpdatedOn": "2026-10-21", "specHistory": [ { "version": 1, "date": "2026-10-21", "reason": "First specification.", "by": "Marco Cauduro" } ], "callExpects": "no", "think": { "baseRate": "In the quarter to July 26, 2026, licensed H200 shipments to China came to less than 1% of Nvidia's $89.0 billion of Data Center revenue, after a $0.4 billion charge on H200 inventory.", "outsideView": "Two gates decide this line, Washington's licenses and Beijing's restriction on the purchases, and Beijing has encouraged buyers toward Nvidia's Chinese competitors instead.", "wouldChange": "A public sign that Beijing is letting its buyers take the licensed H200 before the quarter ends on October 25 would raise the number." } }, "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/docket/#test-p18-t02", "storyUrl": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-fence-stops-at-the-chip/#watch", "resultUrl": null }, { "id": "p18-t03", "part": 18, "slug": "the-fence-stops-at-the-chip", "when": "December 31", "whenLabel": "Dec 31, 2026", "date": "2026-12-31", "precision": "day", "event": "Whether the FCC's Covered List carries an entry for optical transceivers or modules, after its October 9, 2026 update left them off.", "status": "pending", "resultId": null, "sameAs": null, "stage": "pre", "callExpects": "no", "callExpectsBy": "Marco Cauduro", "callExpectsAt": "2026-10-21T15:38:57Z", "callProbability": 35, "callProbabilityAt": "2026-10-21T15:38:57Z", "callProbabilityHistory": [], "source": { "kind": "story", "ref": "watchlist[2].date", "url": null }, "resolver": { "kind": "manual", "rule": "Read the Covered List page and the FCC public notices that update it through December 31, 2026. The answer is yes if an entry added by that day names optical transceivers or optical modules, by producer or by country of production; no if no such entry was added. The component rule effective October 13, 2026, which reaches logic-bearing parts from producers already listed, does not count, nor does a proposal that adds no entry. The list as updated October 9, 2026 carried no such entry.", "question": "By December 31, 2026, does the FCC's Covered List carry an entry for optical transceivers or optical modules, named by producer or by country of production?", "source": { "label": "Federal Communications Commission, Covered List", "url": "https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist" }, "ambiguity": "If the Covered List page cannot be read on January 4, 2027, the FCC's public notices on docs.fcc.gov dated through December 31, 2026 are read instead. If neither can be read by January 8, 2027, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is January 11, 2027.", "specState": "approved", "specVersion": 1, "specUpdatedOn": "2026-10-21", "specHistory": [ { "version": 1, "date": "2026-10-21", "reason": "First specification.", "by": "Marco Cauduro" } ], "callExpects": "no", "think": { "baseRate": "The FCC added drones in December 2025, routers in March and inverters and robots in July, but the list as updated October 9, 2026 carried no entry for optics.", "outsideView": "Optics have only a reported draft, and the framework relayed on October 2 would let a Chinese-built module in with about 65% American value and bite only at the 3.2-terabit generation.", "wouldChange": "A vote or public notice that turns the reported optics draft into a Covered List entry before December 31 would raise the number." } }, "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/docket/#test-p18-t03", "storyUrl": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-fence-stops-at-the-chip/#watch", "resultUrl": null }, { "id": "p18-t04", "part": 18, "slug": "the-fence-stops-at-the-chip", "when": "March 31, 2027", "whenLabel": "Mar 31, 2027", "date": "2027-03-31", "precision": "day", "event": "Whether a law or a Federal Register rule bars agencies beyond the Pentagon and the intelligence community from Chinese-developed AI models; the defense act of December 2025 reaches only those buyers and their contractors.", "status": "pending", "resultId": null, "sameAs": null, "stage": "pre", "callExpects": "no", "callExpectsBy": "Marco Cauduro", "callExpectsAt": "2026-10-21T15:39:06Z", "callProbability": 30, "callProbabilityAt": "2026-10-21T15:39:06Z", "callProbabilityHistory": [], "source": { "kind": "story", "ref": "watchlist[3].date", "url": null }, "resolver": { "kind": "manual", "rule": "Read the public laws listed on GovInfo and the rules and executive orders published in the Federal Register through March 31, 2027. The answer is yes if one of them, signed or published by that day, bars executive agencies other than the Department of Defense and the intelligence community, or their contractors, from acquiring or using AI models developed by DeepSeek or by other companies based in China, whatever its effective date; no if none does. Rules that implement section 1532 of Public Law 119-60 for defense contracts do not count, nor do bills passed by one chamber, agency memoranda or bans limited to an app on government devices.", "question": "By March 31, 2027, does a public law, or a rule or executive order published in the Federal Register, bar federal agencies beyond the Department of Defense and the intelligence community from acquiring or using AI models developed by companies based in China?", "source": { "label": "GovInfo, public laws of the 119th Congress, read with the Federal Register", "url": "https://www.govinfo.gov/app/collection/plaw/119" }, "ambiguity": "If govinfo.gov or federalregister.gov cannot be read on April 1, 2027, the test is read on April 5 from congress.gov's list of public laws and the Federal Register's public inspection pages. If no reading is possible by April 9, 2027, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is April 12, 2027. A law signed by March 31 and listed later is read from its signing date.", "specState": "approved", "specVersion": 1, "specUpdatedOn": "2026-10-21", "specHistory": [ { "version": 1, "date": "2026-10-21", "reason": "First specification.", "by": "Marco Cauduro" } ], "callExpects": "no", "think": { "baseRate": "The only written bars on Chinese models in federal law, sections 1532 and 6604 of the fiscal 2026 defense act, reach the Pentagon, the intelligence agencies and their contractors.", "outsideView": "A bill for every agency was introduced in 2025 and, as far as DeepStack read, not enacted, so the fiscal 2027 defense act is the likeliest carrier of a wider bar.", "wouldChange": "A fiscal 2027 defense act signed by March 31 with a bar for all agencies, or a rule on the limits Washington is considering for Chinese models, would raise the number." } }, "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/docket/#test-p18-t04", "storyUrl": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-fence-stops-at-the-chip/#watch", "resultUrl": null } ], "results": [], "sources": [ { "label": "Bureau of Industry and Security - License review policy for advanced computing, Federal Register, Jan 15, 2026", "url": "https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/01/15/2026-00789/revision-to-license-review-policy-for-advanced-computing-commodities" }, { "label": "NVIDIA - Form 10-Q for the quarter ended July 26, 2026", "url": "https://s201.q4cdn.com/141608511/files/doc_financials/2027/NVDA-2027-Q2-10Q-Final-including-exhibits.pdf" }, { "label": "NVIDIA - CFO commentary, second quarter of fiscal 2027, Aug 26, 2026", "url": "https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1045810/000104581026000073/q2fy27cfocommentary.htm#ex99-2" }, { "label": "OpenRouter - LLM rankings, market share by model author, read Oct 12, 2026", "url": "https://openrouter.ai/rankings" }, { "label": "GovInfo - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2026, Public Law 119-60, sections 1532 and 6604, Dec 18, 2025", "url": "https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-119publ60/html/PLAW-119publ60.htm" }, { "label": "Bureau of Industry and Security - One-year suspension of the affiliates rule, Federal Register, Nov 12, 2025", "url": "https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/11/12/2025-19846/one-year-suspension-of-expansion-of-end-user-controls-for-affiliates-of-certain-listed-entities" }, { "label": "JD Supra - Miller Canfield, BIS affiliates rule suspension extended but uncertainty remains, Oct 1, 2026", "url": "https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/bis-affiliates-rule-suspension-extended-1084647/" }, { "label": "China Ministry of Commerce - Announcement No. 70 of 2025, Nov 7, 2025", "url": "https://www.mofcom.gov.cn/zwgk/zcfb/art/2025/art_b1ec77dd3f0d4762952904df7cdaadec.html" }, { "label": "Federal Communications Commission - Covered List, updated Oct 9, 2026", "url": "https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist" }, { "label": "Federal Communications Commission - Equipment authorization rule, Federal Register, Sep 11, 2026", "url": "https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/09/11/2026-18535/protecting-against-national-security-threats-to-the-communications-supply-chain-through-the" }, { "label": "Rep. Sam Liccardo - Letter to the Commerce Department on frontier model export controls, Jun 18, 2026", "url": "https://liccardo.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/liccardo.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/6.18.26-letter-to-commerce-department-on-frontier-model-export-controls.pdf" }, { "label": "Epoch AI - Will Huawei catch up to Nvidia by 2030?, Sep 4, 2026", "url": "https://epoch.ai/publications/huaweis-roadmap-to-2031" }, { "label": "Epoch AI - Isabel Juniewicz, Diversion and resale: estimating compute smuggling to China, Apr 29, 2026", "url": "https://epoch.ai/publications/chip-smuggling" }, { "label": "Understanding AI - Timothy B. Lee on Unitree, Aug 31, 2026", "url": "https://www.understandingai.org/p/i-spent-4000-on-a-robot-dog-from" }, { "label": "Prof G Media - Alice Han and James Kynge on China, Sep 15, 2026", "url": "https://www.profgmedia.com/p/could-china-replace-the-us-as-the" }, { "label": "Baillie Gifford - Q3 2026 letter", "url": "https://fiscal.ai/fund-letters/baillie-gifford-q3-2026-fscl_document_2DDG3DJC920" }, { "label": "Capitalist Letters - Oguz Erkan, Jul 19, 2026", "url": "https://www.capitalist-letters.com/p/kimi-3-ai-capex-apocalypse-or-a-buying" }, { "label": "Prof G Markets - Jul 20, 2026", "url": "https://www.profgmedia.com/p/openai-had-another-terrible-week" }, { "label": "Market Sentiment - Notes on Open Source, Sep 8, 2026", "url": "https://www.marketsentiment.co/p/notes-on-open-source" }, { "label": "Prof G Media - Alice Han and James Kynge on Microsoft in China, Aug 18, 2026", "url": "https://www.profgmedia.com/p/why-microsoft-is-quietly-abandoning" }, { "label": "AI Supremacy - Michael Spencer, Jul 21, 2026", "url": "https://www.ai-supremacy.com/p/the-open-source-ai-china-problem-revisited-mid-2026" }, { "label": "James Bulltard - Jul 17, 2026 recap", "url": "https://www.jamesbulltard.com/p/71726-recap" }, { "label": "DeepStack - Part twelve, The Model Is Not the Price", "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-model-is-not-the-price/" } ] } ], "nextTest": { "id": "p18-t01", "part": 18, "slug": "the-fence-stops-at-the-chip", "when": "November 9", "whenLabel": "Nov 9, 2026", "date": "2026-11-09", "precision": "day", "event": "The Commerce Department's pause on its affiliates rule ends on paper: whether a Federal Register document extends it by that day. The truce announced on September 23 is not such a document.", "status": "pending", "resultId": null, "sameAs": null, "stage": "pre", "callExpects": "no", "callExpectsBy": "Marco Cauduro", "callExpectsAt": "2026-10-21T15:38:41Z", "callProbability": 40, "callProbabilityAt": "2026-10-21T15:38:41Z", "callProbabilityHistory": [], "source": { "kind": "story", "ref": "watchlist[0].date", "url": null }, "resolver": { "kind": "manual", "rule": "Read the bureau's documents and the public inspection entries on federalregister.gov through November 9, 2026. The answer is yes if a document of the Bureau of Industry and Security that extends the one-year suspension published as Federal Register 2025-19846 beyond November 9, 2026, or leaves it in force without an end date, was published or placed on public inspection by the end of November 9, 2026; no if none was, including when officials announce an extension that no document carries by that day.", "question": "By November 9, 2026, does the Bureau of Industry and Security publish in the Federal Register, or place on public inspection there, a document extending the suspension of its affiliates rule beyond November 9, 2026?", "source": { "label": "Federal Register, documents and public inspection of the Bureau of Industry and Security", "url": "https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies/industry-and-security-bureau" }, "ambiguity": "If federalregister.gov cannot be read on November 10, 2026, the same pages are read on November 12, since public inspection entries carry their filing time. If no reading is possible by November 13, 2026, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is November 16, 2026. A document placed on public inspection by November 9 and published afterward counts as yes.", "specState": "approved", "specVersion": 1, "specUpdatedOn": "2026-10-21", "specHistory": [ { "version": 1, "date": "2026-10-21", "reason": "First specification.", "by": "Marco Cauduro" } ], "callExpects": "no", "think": { "baseRate": "Last year's suspension reached public inspection only on November 10, 2025, the day it took effect, and no bureau document carried an extension through October 12, 2026.", "outsideView": "Both suspensions in this Part lapse on paper a day apart in November, and the truce they belong to runs to January 10 by announcement, with no document from either capital extending them.", "wouldChange": "A bureau document placed on public inspection by November 9, which Miller Canfield expects to follow the announced truce, would raise the number." } }, "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/docket/#test-p18-t01", "storyUrl": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-fence-stops-at-the-chip/#watch", "resultUrl": null }, "relations": null, "method": "How DeepStack settles a question", "timeline": [ { "part": 18, "date": "2026-10-25", "kind": "published", "text": "Part 18 published; the Call: Two markets for chips, one for tokens.", "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-fence-stops-at-the-chip/", "by": null }, { "part": 18, "date": "2026-10-25", "kind": "call", "text": "The Call: Two markets for chips, one for tokens. Both capitals fence the chip, so it trades in two markets. The token is fenced only for national-security buyers and trades as one. Our Call takes the side “One Market for the Token”.", "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/stories/the-fence-stops-at-the-chip/#call-history", "by": "Marco Cauduro" }, { "part": 18, "date": "2026-11-09", "kind": "next", "text": "Next: Nov 9, 2026, The Commerce Department's pause on its affiliates rule ends on paper: whether a Federal Register document extends it by that day. The truce announced on September 23 is not such a document.", "url": "https://deepstack.ltd/docket/#test-p18-t01", "by": null } ] }