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Reported seat counts or headcount-linked billings decline even as usage and total revenue grow.", "voices": [ { "name": "Michael Burry", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/michael-burry/", "claim": "Seat compression versus agent monetization race", "date": "2026-05-15", "url": "https://michaeljburry.substack.com/p/dai-of-the-triffids-office-software" }, { "name": "David George", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/david-george/", "claim": "When an incumbent charges by seat and a new AI product offers better outcomes for a small fraction of revenue created, the incumbent faces a pricing trap and cannot defend their model without disrupting their own revenue. This allows startups to…", "date": "2025-09-03", "url": "https://www.a16z.news/p/ai-supercharges-modelbusters" }, { "name": "Ruben Dominguez", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/ruben-dominguez/", "claim": "Automation shrinks the seat base", "date": "2025-11-06", "url": "https://www.thevccorner.com/p/the-100b-question-how-saas-giants" }, { "name": "Majd Alaily", "entity": null, "claim": "Once building is easy, new entrants flood a market continuously; competitors' presence plus low switching costs forces sellers off predictable monthly subscriptions toward pay-per-use, so revenue tracks actual usage and forward MRR/ARR becomes hard…", "date": "2026-02-01", "url": "https://majdalaily.substack.com/p/the-6-new-rules-of-the-ai-native" } ] }, { "id": "no", "label": "The case against it", "summary": "AI agents and automation increasing transaction volumes within enterprise software systems, so shift from fixed seat-based revenue to variable usage-based revenue models with much higher value. Adoption of usage-based pricing and enterprise sales by consumer AI applications, so revenue retention exceeding 100 percent despite traditional churn patterns. It would show first if all major seat-based vendors continue to report growing paid seats and NRR above 100% through 2027.", "voices": [ { "name": "Kris", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/kris/", "claim": "Enterprise software companies with embedded platforms can switch pricing models once underlying usage volume justifies it, capturing exponentially more revenue per customer as AI agents drive activity.", "date": "2026-02-27", "url": "https://www.potentialmultibaggers.com/p/what-i-just-bought-and-sold" }, { "name": "Ruben Dominguez", "entity": "https://deepstack.ltd/people/ruben-dominguez/", "claim": "Consumer AI applications that layer usage-based pricing with enterprise adoption and early sales investment can sustain revenue growth that outpaces user churn, enabling net revenue retention above 100 percent and breaking the traditional retention…", "date": "2025-09-21", "url": "https://www.thevccorner.com/p/venture-funds-ranked-why-retention" } ] } ], "tests": [ { "id": "th097-t01", "part": null, "thesis": 97, "slug": "seat-count-contraction-at-pepm-vendors", "when": "December 2, 2026", "whenLabel": "Dec 2, 2026", "date": "2026-12-02", "precision": "day", "event": "C3.ai, operating cash flow as a share of revenue, quarter ended October 31, 2026: whether it comes in at or above -4%.", "status": "pending", "resultId": null, "sameAs": null, "stage": "pre", "callExpects": "yes", "callExpectsBy": "Desk Editor (level B)", "callExpectsAt": "2026-10-22T08:14:29Z", "callProbability": 72, "callProbabilityAt": "2026-10-22T08:14:29Z", "callProbabilityHistory": [], "source": { "kind": "thesis", "ref": "tests[0].date", "url": null }, "resolver": { "kind": "manual", "rule": "Divide the net cash from operating activities by the revenue that C3.ai reports for the quarter ended October 31, 2026 in its 10-Q or 10-K filing on SEC EDGAR. 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