How DeepStack settles a question · Part 18

Are the US and China building two separate AI markets, or only two markets for chips?

From Part 18: The Fence Stops at the Chip. 13 voices on 3 sides, attributed and dated; the DeepStack Call with its history; 4 dated tests that settle it; the results as they come in.

The DeepStack callSplit

Both capitals fence the chip, so it trades in two markets. The token is fenced only for national-security buyers and trades as one.

Two markets for chips, one for tokens · Conviction Moderate (3/5)

Our Call takes the side “One Market for the Token”.

Call history2 versions · last changed
  1. v2Two markets for chips, one for tokensConviction Moderate (3/5)Side: One Market for the TokenSide named by the owner.
  2. v1Two markets for chips, one for tokensConviction Moderate (3/5)First call, with the story.

9 voices

The Fence Holds and Climbs

  1. Oguz Erkan

    The feared collapse scenario, where usage shifts to Chinese models, American lab revenues erode and the circular capex deals unwind, will not happen; with cost per intelligence so close, Western firms will avoid Chinese models for strategic and…

  2. Oguz Erkan

    The claim that Chinese labs found a genuine efficiency breakthrough American labs missed is dismissed as implausible, since it would require the best-resourced experts in Silicon Valley to have overlooked a fraction-of-the-cost method.

  3. Kevin Gee

    China has spent five decades trying to become the world's leading superpower and is now the world's supplier, but has not yet successfully become the world's platform despite investing in overseas ventures, foreign aid, technology reverse…

  4. Kevin Gee

    The US government is betting that compute is the linchpin holding up the stack, making it the target of export controls, yet China is now building a full stack domestic to all layers.

  5. James Bulltard

    China's advances in AI, exemplified by Deepseek, will likely force the US to increase investment and restrictions in AI rather than cut capex, because allowing China to lead would be strategically unacceptable.

  6. Gaetano

    China controls a substantial portion of the upstream supply chain through InP substrate production and indium exports, which means if the U.S. pushes Chinese transceiver supply out faster than domestic replacements arrive, the U.S. risks slowing…

  7. Gaetano

    The main risk from a ban on Chinese optical suppliers is that Chinese suppliers represent such a large part of the optical market that a sudden restriction could worsen shortages and push out some data center deployments.

  8. Doomberg

    China is an objectively powerful country capable of inventing its way around semiconductor sanctions, and Huawei's announced chip-design framework that claims to deliver transistor densities equivalent to 1.4-nanometer-class chips by 2031 without…

  9. Doomberg

    The Pentagon's Office of Strategic Capital, led by David Lorch, has been structuring deals to de-risk US military supply chains from China's control, including work on battery materials, drone components, and rare-earth production.

7 voices

One Market for the Token

  1. Prof G Markets

    The Chinese open-weight model strategy is to deliver roughly 80% of a product's value at half the price, which Prof G Markets calls one of the most effective business models there is, and expects to become a geopolitical fight once Washington…

  2. Michael Spencer

    Michael Spencer predicts Anthropic will achieve AI supremacy status in 2027 and by 2030 will have no comparable peer competitor, not Google, OpenAI, DeepSeek, or Alibaba.

  3. Michael Spencer

    U.S.-China model competition is exaggerating compute demand even though there are few strong application-layer products, while China holds both cheaper token generation and more abundant energy.

  4. Market Sentiment

    Open model weights being public and downloadable does not mean uniform pricing: running them still requires managing large GPU clusters and a software stack, and differences in that stack across providers (optimizing for price, latency, or…

  5. Market Sentiment

    Headline comparisons claiming open models are 10x cheaper often quote a cheaper, degraded-performance version of the open model, exaggerating the cost benefit; for example, Opus 5 can look ~20x more expensive than DeepSeek in such comparisons, but…

  6. Michael Burry

    China is going through its Great Depression, has already hit the nadir, and consumer names like JD will catch a tailwind as the economy recovers.

  7. Michael Burry

    Current Nvidia GPU pricing reflects today's scarcity, but a duration mismatch—data centers taking 3-5 years to build while chips iterate into new generations with very different power and cooling requirements every 12-18 months—undermines any…

12 voices

Beijing Holds the Other End

  1. Ren

    The FCC ban draft on Chinese optical transceivers does not create capacity but rather creates scarcity pricing for whoever already has it, unlike the 2001 telecom bust which was debt-financed carriers laying fiber for traffic that never arrived.

  2. Ren

    Non-Chinese firms hold 80 to 90 percent of InP wafers and equipment, while China controls over 70 percent of indium and 80 percent of phosphorus, making a minerals decision in Beijing determine a transceiver price in Texas.

  3. Gaetano

    U.S. manufacturing has become a customer selection factor, with early customer feedback around Chinese transceiver restrictions making customers more aggressive about wanting U.S. manufactured supply.

  4. Gaetano

    The Trump administration proposal should be understood as a negotiating tool ahead of a planned meeting with Xi rather than solely as a national security policy, because the timing aligns with trade discussions and China controls upstream materials…

  5. Baillie Gifford

    China dominates rare earth extraction and processing into oxides, alloys and magnets, leaving the rest of the world's economies and militaries dependent on a resource Beijing can use as leverage in trade negotiations.

  6. Baillie GiffordThird-quarter 2026 letter

    NVIDIA has experienced multiple drawdowns of 38% to 66% during the holding period, making it subject to severe cyclical drawdowns.

  7. Doomberg

    Western leaders do not adequately understand China's strategy in AI and semiconductors, nor do they appear capable of effectively responding to it.

  8. Doomberg

    China's strategy in strategic industries follows a pattern of heavily subsidizing domestic champions until they acquire technology, then flooding global markets with competitively priced products to eliminate foreign competitors.

  9. DeepValue Capital

    Alibaba is well positioned to monetize its AI spend because it builds data centers efficiently, designs AI models to upsell users into already-profitable areas like cloud, ecommerce and quick commerce, benefits from more diversified and niche AI…

  10. DeepValue Capital

    Consumer optimism in China is largely tied to real estate, which has been in a slump for years, depressing consumer sentiment.

  11. Stephen Clapham

    Moritz argued the technological baton is passing from the US to China, as it once passed from the UK to the US, pointing to China's competitive education system and ownership of critical technologies such as electric vehicles, batteries, solar and…

  12. Stephen Clapham

    Dismissing China's technological progress as merely the product of subsidies, IP theft and cheap labour looks increasingly dangerous, whatever one's view of China as an investable market.

4 voices

Voices that cross sides

  1. Gaetano

    A Morgan Stanley note, based on conversations with a senior Washington telecom/FCC/export-control legal team, suggests a possible framework where a Chinese-built transceiver could still be allowed into the U.S. if roughly 65% of the module's value…

  2. Gaetano

    A reported Trump administration ban on new Chinese data center components, specifically including optical transceivers, would create a test cycle on top of existing 800G and 1.6T volume cycles as U.S. hyperscalers qualify new suppliers and expand…

  3. Market Sentiment

    Azure sells DeepSeek; on equal quality, the gap is about 2x.

  4. Michael Spencer

    China has the cheaper tokens; Anthropic has no peer by 2030.

Where they cross

Who answers whom.

The specific points where one voice meets another: the same evidence read two ways, or the same mechanism with a different sign.

What settles it

The dated tests.

The tests the story set, each with its specification where the owner has written one; on the Docket, resolved on the Results page.

  1. The Commerce Department's pause on its affiliates rule ends on paper: whether a Federal Register document extends it by that day. The truce announced on September 23 is not such a document.

    Part 18: The Fence Stops at the Chip Pendingp18-t01Pre-specified

    Question
    By November 9, 2026, does the Bureau of Industry and Security publish in the Federal Register, or place on public inspection there, a document extending the suspension of its affiliates rule beyond November 9, 2026?
    Source
    Federal Register, documents and public inspection of the Bureau of Industry and Security
    Rule
    Read the bureau's documents and the public inspection entries on federalregister.gov through November 9, 2026. The answer is yes if a document of the Bureau of Industry and Security that extends the one-year suspension published as Federal Register 2025-19846 beyond November 9, 2026, or leaves it in force without an end date, was published or placed on public inspection by the end of November 9, 2026; no if none was, including when officials announce an extension that no document carries by that day.
    If the source is late, revised or silent
    If federalregister.gov cannot be read on November 10, 2026, the same pages are read on November 12, since public inspection entries carry their filing time. If no reading is possible by November 13, 2026, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is November 16, 2026. A document placed on public inspection by November 9 and published afterward counts as yes.

    The Call, before the dateExpects no. Gives the yes answer 40%.

    40%

    0 · no100 · yes

  2. Nvidia reports its quarter to October 25, 2026: whether its 10-Q puts licensed H200 shipments to China at 1% or more of Data Center revenue, after less than 1% in the quarter to July 26.

    Part 18: The Fence Stops at the Chip Pendingp18-t02Pre-specified

    Question
    Does Nvidia's Form 10-Q for the quarter ending October 25, 2026 put shipments of licensed H200 products to China-based customers at 1% or more of that quarter's Data Center revenue?
    Source
    SEC EDGAR, NVIDIA Form 10-Q for the third quarter of fiscal 2027, discussion of export controls and China (CIK 1045810)
    Rule
    Read the 10-Q's discussion of export controls and of the H200 licenses for China. The answer is yes if it states a share of 1% or more, or a dollar amount equal to or above 1% of the quarter's Data Center revenue, for shipments of H200, or of another product licensed under the rule of January 15, 2026, to customers in China; no if it states less than 1%, says there were no such shipments, or gives no figure for them. In the quarter ended July 26, 2026 the same section said less than 1% of Data Center revenue of $89.0 billion.
    If the source is late, revised or silent
    If the 10-Q is not public on SEC EDGAR by December 15, 2026, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is January 5, 2027. A share given only for all shipments to China, or for all Hopper products, does not decide the test and enters the Result as evidence.

    The Call, before the dateExpects no. Gives the yes answer 15%.

    15%

    0 · no100 · yes

  3. Whether the FCC's Covered List carries an entry for optical transceivers or modules, after its October 9, 2026 update left them off.

    Part 18: The Fence Stops at the Chip Pendingp18-t03Pre-specified

    Question
    By December 31, 2026, does the FCC's Covered List carry an entry for optical transceivers or optical modules, named by producer or by country of production?
    Source
    Federal Communications Commission, Covered List
    Rule
    Read the Covered List page and the FCC public notices that update it through December 31, 2026. The answer is yes if an entry added by that day names optical transceivers or optical modules, by producer or by country of production; no if no such entry was added. The component rule effective October 13, 2026, which reaches logic-bearing parts from producers already listed, does not count, nor does a proposal that adds no entry. The list as updated October 9, 2026 carried no such entry.
    If the source is late, revised or silent
    If the Covered List page cannot be read on January 4, 2027, the FCC's public notices on docs.fcc.gov dated through December 31, 2026 are read instead. If neither can be read by January 8, 2027, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is January 11, 2027.

    The Call, before the dateExpects no. Gives the yes answer 35%.

    35%

    0 · no100 · yes

  4. Whether a law or a Federal Register rule bars agencies beyond the Pentagon and the intelligence community from Chinese-developed AI models; the defense act of December 2025 reaches only those buyers and their contractors.

    Part 18: The Fence Stops at the Chip Pendingp18-t04Pre-specified

    Question
    By March 31, 2027, does a public law, or a rule or executive order published in the Federal Register, bar federal agencies beyond the Department of Defense and the intelligence community from acquiring or using AI models developed by companies based in China?
    Source
    GovInfo, public laws of the 119th Congress, read with the Federal Register
    Rule
    Read the public laws listed on GovInfo and the rules and executive orders published in the Federal Register through March 31, 2027. The answer is yes if one of them, signed or published by that day, bars executive agencies other than the Department of Defense and the intelligence community, or their contractors, from acquiring or using AI models developed by DeepSeek or by other companies based in China, whatever its effective date; no if none does. Rules that implement section 1532 of Public Law 119-60 for defense contracts do not count, nor do bills passed by one chamber, agency memoranda or bans limited to an app on government devices.
    If the source is late, revised or silent
    If govinfo.gov or federalregister.gov cannot be read on April 1, 2027, the test is read on April 5 from congress.gov's list of public laws and the Federal Register's public inspection pages. If no reading is possible by April 9, 2027, the test is inconclusive, and the Result says what was read and what was missing; the next reading is April 12, 2027. A law signed by March 31 and listed later is read from its signing date.

    The Call, before the dateExpects no. Gives the yes answer 30%.

    30%

    0 · no100 · yes

What changed

The record of Part 18.

The Part’s publication, every change to the Call, every result that came in and the next dated test, oldest first.

  1. PublishedPart 18 published; the Call: Two markets for chips, one for tokens.
  2. Call updatedThe Call: Two markets for chips, one for tokens. Both capitals fence the chip, so it trades in two markets. The token is fenced only for national-security buyers and trades as one. Our Call takes the side “One Market for the Token”. by Marco Cauduro
  3. Next testNext: Nov 9, 2026, The Commerce Department's pause on its affiliates rule ends on paper: whether a Federal Register document extends it by that day. The truce announced on September 23 is not such a document. Pre-specified
Sources (23)
  1. Bureau of Industry and Security - License review policy for advanced computing, Federal Register, Jan 15, 2026
  2. NVIDIA - Form 10-Q for the quarter ended July 26, 2026
  3. NVIDIA - CFO commentary, second quarter of fiscal 2027, Aug 26, 2026
  4. OpenRouter - LLM rankings, market share by model author, read Oct 12, 2026
  5. GovInfo - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2026, Public Law 119-60, sections 1532 and 6604, Dec 18, 2025
  6. Bureau of Industry and Security - One-year suspension of the affiliates rule, Federal Register, Nov 12, 2025
  7. JD Supra - Miller Canfield, BIS affiliates rule suspension extended but uncertainty remains, Oct 1, 2026
  8. China Ministry of Commerce - Announcement No. 70 of 2025, Nov 7, 2025
  9. Federal Communications Commission - Covered List, updated Oct 9, 2026
  10. Federal Communications Commission - Equipment authorization rule, Federal Register, Sep 11, 2026
  11. Rep. Sam Liccardo - Letter to the Commerce Department on frontier model export controls, Jun 18, 2026
  12. Epoch AI - Will Huawei catch up to Nvidia by 2030?, Sep 4, 2026
  13. Epoch AI - Isabel Juniewicz, Diversion and resale: estimating compute smuggling to China, Apr 29, 2026
  14. Understanding AI - Timothy B. Lee on Unitree, Aug 31, 2026
  15. Prof G Media - Alice Han and James Kynge on China, Sep 15, 2026
  16. Baillie Gifford - Q3 2026 letter
  17. Capitalist Letters - Oguz Erkan, Jul 19, 2026
  18. Prof G Markets - Jul 20, 2026
  19. Market Sentiment - Notes on Open Source, Sep 8, 2026
  20. Prof G Media - Alice Han and James Kynge on Microsoft in China, Aug 18, 2026
  21. AI Supremacy - Michael Spencer, Jul 21, 2026
  22. James Bulltard - Jul 17, 2026 recap
  23. DeepStack - Part twelve, The Model Is Not the Price

Market data are as of the dates cited. Voices are paraphrased from public writing and attributed by name.

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